Saturday, June 13, 2009

An Open Letter to the Right Wing: Put Up or Shut Up



Dear Conservatives:

Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one simple question:

Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?

Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions, evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up to this.

You did.

The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us, straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues hadn't been politically expedient for you.

Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity. When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.

And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the American landscape.

We know you have absolute and utter contempt for the intelligence of the average American, but trying to blame the left for creating this situation is a fabrication so vast that it tells us you don't even have so much as a shred of respect for yourselves. Even you seem to know that your word is worth nothing to most Americans now -- and you don't seem to care.

You don't seem to give a damn about the future of this country, either. You're just in it to win the next election, increase profits for the next quarter, or boost your ratings in the next book. As long as selling hate accomplishes any of these goals, you'll do it -- without regard for the cultural sewage you're creating, without regard for the way you've polluted the political landscape, and now apparently without even a moment's regard for the innocent lives that are being lost because you seem bent on destroying every shred of trust required for our democracy to function.

But the bodies are piling up. We are demanding an accounting from you. We are demanding that you take responsibility for the situation you've created. We are looking you straight in the eyes and demanding a straight answer:

Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?

If your answer is yes, then stop this cowardly half-assed screwing around. You speak the language of war and honor; but the honor code of the warriors you pretend to revere demands that you declare your intentions. If you really believe that the only way to get the America you want is to negate a fair election, shred the Constitution, and violently cleanse the country of everyone who doesn't agree with you, then man up and get on with it. If it's a shooting war you want, do not doubt that there are plenty of progressives who will oblige you. If this goal is so important that you're really willing to kill for it, please don't forget that you will also need to be willing to die for it. Because, like martyrs Greg McKendry and Steven Johns proved, we are willing to do whatever is necessary to stop you.

If your answer is no, then you have just one other choice. Knock off the tantrums, grow up, rebuild your party, come back to the table, and sit down and govern with us. (We know this will be a stretch, but we think some of you are capable of it.) You will need to learn, many of you for the first time, to get your way as adults do -- without fear-based politics, polarizing rhetoric, on-air threats against those who disagree with you, and repeating outrageous lies in the face of stone facts and irrefutable evidence.

And most of all: you need to stop feeding the crazies. You need to disavow them in every way possible -- sincerely, emphatically, and with full awareness that every time one of these people acts, it destroys the credibility of "conservatives," "Republicans," and "the right wing" in the eyes of the country. You cannot assassinate your way back to power. And don't doubt for a moment that the majority of Americans -- even those who agree with your ideas -- will abandon your cause forever once it realizes that's what you're trying to do.

Since you're the ones funding the violent radicals on your flank, you need to stop sending them money. Since you know far more about their activities than any one else, you need to be the ones who turn them in. Since you're the ones who make heroes and martyrs out of them, you need to be the ones who call them out as criminals. Until you do this -- consistently, wholeheartedly, and responsibly -- we can only conclude that these assassins are operating with your support and approval, and that you are intentionally trying to start an armed revolution in America.

That's your choice. Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war? Or are you willing to work for real civility, and return to your seat at the table, ready to help us choose the country's future?

Yes or No. Right now. The window is closing fast behind you. And once it closes, none of us -- not you, not us, not anyone -- will have the choice to avoid the catastrophe that will follow. It's your decision. And you need to make it now.

15 Comments:

Blogger Elmo said...

One little, two little, three little wingnuts...

Sat Jun 13, 09:33:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

To pretend that your "side" isn't just as complicit in the same level of fear-mongering and hate-speech as the right is the thing that makes your rants so completely tired and pointless. You just do the angry name-calling nonsense, calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a moron and a backwards hick. Based on your bio you think you'd be old enough to realize there's shades of grey in every argument, and that your insane and angry view of the "other side" is just as ridiculous and overblown as their insane view of "liberal whackos."

So much anger and threats in your posts, and all you do is scream about how crazy the other side is. Hypocrite much?

As someone who aligns himself with neither "side" I just find it so fucking amusing to watch the extremists of both sides sit on their high horse and pretend they're not part of the problem.

Fri Jun 26, 07:45:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

Good God! Just the first sentence! The right wingers are the ones with the hearts? Oh, wait...that old trick. You get caught being a traitor and now EVERYONE is a traitor. That's so old it's sandbox....dude...

Now let me read the rest...

Good Lord you people are priceless!!!

...Based on your bio you think you'd be old enough to realize there's shades of grey in every argument...

NO SHIT!?! Are you ready to back that up? How about Abortion, Assault rifle ban, Mexican immigration, Cap n' Trade, Public health car option, Guy marriage, Gays in the military, Gay people in general, Liberals...shall I go in?

Back to "you're just as bad as us"...

...your insane and angry view of the "other side" is just as ridiculous and overblown as their insane view of "liberal whackos."

I'm the insane one? You were the one all happy to go to war and shit with no clue how it was like!!! AND I'M INSANE? Fuck off chickenhawk.

Oh, I am not part of the problem. I just want to pick a fight with "The Problem"...Right-wing extremism. You know any to send my way?

Fri Jun 26, 08:07:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

You were the one all happy to go to war and shit with no clue how it was like!!!

I was? Last I checked I'm against the war, but feel free to keep making crazy assumptions about who I am and what i believe. But to go through your random laundry list, just to clear the air :
- Abortion - pro-choice
- assault rifle ban - no thanks
- mexican immigration - I have lots to say about this one, but there isn't space or time for it here, but it's not as simple an argument as either "side" likes to make it
- Cap and Trade - a joke that won't work
- Public health care - another joke that doesn't work
- Gays in general - fully support


Honestly, the more I read of you, the more I think this site is just some sociology experiment or something. You can't actually be serious can you? It's OK, you can admit it to me in private or something, I don't want to spoil the experiment. It seems like you just scream at everyone who even attempts to question your views. Is there any issue that you would civilly debate someone on, or is every argument just going to be met with "OH MY GOD, WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE, WHERE WILL I BEGIN, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE BREATHE THE SAME AIR!!!" C'mon dude, really. The other side isn't all Rush Limbaugh or some cartoonish image of the Republican that you have in your head. There are people in teh world who have their own views that may differ from yours, some a little, some a whole fucking lot, how about you try listening to them. Because yes, you are as bad as they are. Maybe worse, considering the level of discourse and ability to listen and reason I see coming from you.

Fri Jun 26, 09:59:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

Honestly, the more I read of you, the more I think this site is just some sociology experiment or something.

I've been saying that since 2006!!!

I'm as serious as the shit stains in your underwear. Try me...

Is there any issue that you would civilly debate someone on, or is every argument just going to be met with "OH MY GOD, WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE, WHERE WILL I BEGIN, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE BREATHE THE SAME AIR!!!" C'mon dude, really.

I go to where the fight is, asshole. I don't produce it, I take it on. You might want to start by answering your own question...

I am nowhere close to as bad as "them"

But I will fuck them up where they are. Fault me for that all you want. I did not invent the game...I just play it...

But I will come to the table. If the those who say they can no longer do...too...

Fri Jun 26, 11:26:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

Oh yeah, you're really "fucking people up." You're absolutely delusional, Elmo.

Let me ask you : what do you think you're accomplishing with this mess? Aside from calling people who disagree with you "asshole" and "shitstain"? There's a well-known psychological phenomenon that says that if you force someone to defend their position, it does nothing more than SOLIDIFY their position. Your entire blog is about putting people who disagree with you on the defensive, ostensibly because you think your tough-guy attitude will scare them into switching over to your "side", but instead all you're doing is pushing them the other way, solidifying whatever viewpoint you think is so stupid.

As for being as bad as them.... why not? In what way do you think you're better? Aside from the fact that you think you're right and they're wrong. Let me tell you something, "Elmo", just like you, they think they're right, and you're wrong. The only thing that makes you "better" or "worse" is how you handle the people who disagree with you, and I have yet to meet / read ANYONE who is as unreasonable, angry, or belligerent as you are.

OK, cue you calling me an asshole and threatening to fight me while actually responding to nothing and saying nothing of substance.

Sat Jun 27, 07:17:00 AM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

...and I have yet to meet / read ANYONE who is as unreasonable, angry, or belligerent as you are.

Why thank you! That is the best complement I have ever gotten!

...because you think your tough-guy attitude will scare them into switching over to your "side", but instead all you're doing is pushing them the other way

For someone claiming to be all smart and shit you sure are clueless. All I am doing is throwing conservative "tough guy" talk back in their faces -- and they can't handle it! Go ahead and try to psycho analyze me all you want, that is sort of the point...oh, you knew this was coming...asshole.

I have no assumptions of trying to change these 25%'s minds on anything. I know they are lost sheep. But they all claim to be big and bad and patriotic...I intend to prove otherwise.

Oh yeah, and I don't mind getting on their level to do it...

Sat Jun 27, 12:16:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

Why thank you! That is the best complement I have ever gotten!


Yeah, being irrational and angry is something to strive for. SOunds like you have a fine life sir.

For someone claiming to be all smart and shit you sure are clueless. All I am doing is throwing conservative "tough guy" talk back in their faces -- and they can't handle it! Go ahead and try to psycho analyze me all you want, that is sort of the point...oh, you knew this was coming...asshole.

Classy. I'm not a conservative, nor am I a tough guy (I'm a computer nerd, I don't pretend otherwise), nor am I trying to act "all smart" despite the fact that I'm so stupid in your obviously deranged mind, so I don't know what the fuck you're so mad at me for. I'm honestly trying to see if there's a human behind these insane rants or just a psychopath, and obviously it's the latter.

As for "throwing the conservative tough guy act in their faces", I guarantee you they aren't listening and don't care, and you just come off as a scared little child acting out and calling people names for lack of any substantive argument.

You haven't answered a single thing I've asked, you've just acted like a big tough guy dickhead, and you hide behind "they made me like this, I'm just giving them a taste of their own medicine." Please. Lame excuses for childish behavior. The fact that you are a father (I seriously doubt you are "raising" these children you claim to have; you're way too unstable to have kept a wife, so unless she's dead I'm sure she took the kids with her a long time ago) is the real frightening thing here. I can't imagine what kind of psycho killer progeny are going to spring from a household of hate and anger like yours.

Sat Jun 27, 05:44:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

Oh Bob, I did not mean to hurt your feelings. Really, I didn't. And I have answered your questions. You just don't like the answers. Answer me this...how come when a cuss word is used in a substantial argument it negates the ones point in your mind who used the word?

I've been married for 14yrs. All my children are with the same wife whom I still am married. My kids are exceptional, in intelligence and in manner. Here we are last year on vacation...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1639744613&ref=name#/photo.php?pid=89674&id=1639744613

Sat Jun 27, 06:12:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

This is getting tired, but I'll just say : I'm not "offended." Believe me, it takes more than a few "cuss words" to offend me; I have no problem with swearing and swear myself all the time, as you have pointed out. I meant you were acting like a child because you explode as soon as someone questions you. Also, there's a difference between using swears to punctuate ones point and directly calling someone an asshole (for no reason) or saying you're as serious as the "shit stains in your underwear." Again, not offended, just don't know who you think I am or what I believe to give me such a childish response. And if you think those kinds of things are what makes you "win" an argument, then you win, pal, because unlike you I'm certainly not gonna sink to THAT level, despite the fact that if either of us has been an asshole in this exchange, it ain't me.

Regardless, I truly couldnt' give a fuck, I came here because I truly enjoy trying to pry a rational conversation out of someone who is so clearly acting irrationally. Usually the irrational writing is just a character, a "voice" used to make a point or add a comic level to what you're writing (I do it all the time in my own blogging, screaming and swearing about inconsequential things to put a humorous twist on it or make a point), but for you you actually seem to believe what you're saying. You truly seem to believe the cartoonish image of the evil conservative Republican that mostly exists as a radio personality or a caricature on some Liberal blog. The vast, vast majority of Americans are somewhere in the middle, and even the ones who align themselves with conservatives are still for the most part hard-working, family-loving people who just happen to have a different view of the world than you or I do.

So when I say you're just as bad as them, I mean it. You give your party and your belief system a bad name, just as much as Rush Limbaugh (and many, many others) give the Republicans a bad name. I don't align myself with either party because I think they're both horribly misguided on issues very important to me, but even if I wanted to be a part of one of those two parties I would never come out and say it. Because if I said I was a conservative, or a Republican, closed-minded people like yourself immediately picture big fat Rush Limbaugh, or our bumbling ex-President who can't pronounce "nuclear", or some redneck hick. Just as much as if I said I was a liberal, or a Democrat, the closed-minded morons on the right think immediately of some heathen irrational loudmouth who wants to take all their money and give it to "the gays" and let America speak Spanish and all that nonsense that people like Rush scream about people like you. Tell me that's not true. I mean, I came onto your blog to criticize some of your ideas, and certainly your method of expressing them, and you instantly had me pegged as some Republican moron sitting in my pickup with a gun on my lap shootin' at gays and blacks, right?

I legitimately like parts of both parties views. I like that conservatives (in theory, if not in recent practice) have a smaller view of the government's role in society, which I support. And I like that, in general, liberals tend to be more open-minded socially. So when I meet a self-proclaimed "liberal" like you, who thinks he is so open-minded but in fact is extremely ignorant about all but his own viewpoints, I just really can't fathom what you think "open-mindedness," or even liberalism, is.

Mon Jun 29, 12:00:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

Bob, you win the prize. I truly apologize for any slant on your identity I tried to exaggerate. And I mean it. I was wrong.

And you are right to chastise me and my counterparts on the right...we both deserve it. there is no fucking doubt about it. Now, if you'd please -- GET MORE OF YOUR KIND TO STAND UP AND DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!

I'm not joking, I know I'm an ass. I wish there was no work for me here. But it's tall cotton in my profession if you haven't noticed. I'm just trying to work myself out of a job and if it takes motivating squared away people such as yourself to get shit kicked off then so be it.

Where are the people of the middle who all reject the two extremes? Why are they so afraid of the fringes to speak up? I wanna go down. But the far right is going to go down with me. Oh yes sir they are...

Mon Jun 29, 07:53:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

Who knows? I hate to get all "psycho-analyzing" again, but I guess people just want to fit in, find a side that they most identify with and run with it? Or the vast majority of people are stupider than I want to give them credit for, and have no ability to think for themselves when it comes to politics. There's a reason the radio bobbleheads that are famous make so much money; they present a convincing argument, even if smart people realize they're jackasses. It's not tough, if you listen to someone like that enough, to just fall into their line of thinking and that's all it takes.

It is disheartening to see that so few people seem to stand on their own, pick their battles and fight for what they believe; rather they just seem to "pick a side" and fight for what that side believes. The two party system seems to have created this, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon, so even people like me who try not to get sucked into either "side" are constantly making compromises in order to fit into a particular party. I don't imagine it will get better anytime soon.

Wed Jul 01, 07:08:00 AM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

I see your point. But if it is a sly innuendo back to me you've gone off track. I have no intention of ever fitting in. I'm comfortable right the fuck where I am.

But you hit the nail on the head when you said "...the vast majority of people are stupider than I want to give them credit for.." And those retards most always lean wingnut. They don't even try to hide it with their peacock feathers waving in the wind.

The imbalance has to be acknowledged. And trying to "right" the ship by projection and denial is not going to work this time.

Time to kick the neo-cons to the curb...or follow them off the cliff...

Wed Jul 01, 08:37:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bobman said...

Nope, I've read enough of your blog to realize you're past the point of responding to "sly innuendos".

Wed Jul 01, 08:54:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Elmo said...

ROFLMAO!!!

Thu Jul 02, 01:43:00 PM CDT  

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